[Bgs-list] Questioning the existence of plantation mentality in college & pro sports?

[Harold Coleman]

Gotcha.

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 1:10 PM Charles Baker <charleshbaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not my sister's podcast.
> Just one she recommended w/o having any idea of the conversation we had
> Friday.
>
> Charles H. Baker
> 864.990.1297
> “Don’t be in a hurry to condemn because he doesn’t do what you do or think
> as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn’t know what you
> know today.” — Malcolm X
>
>
>
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> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 1:53 PM Harold Coleman <haroldc06 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I didn't answer your question. I didn't listen to your sister's podcast
>> but I plan to. Based on your statements describing the content, I agree
>> with her. The entire set-up is a scheme robbing people of color. Too many
>> of us leave those schools with too much meat on their bone while we leave
>> with no meat on our bones. That includes pro sports. We need to do a better
>> job of flipping the script and using them more than they use us.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 12:03 PM Charles Baker <charleshbaker at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not discounting sports.
>>> Like I said my sister was a D1 athlete.
>>> All of my siblings and I played sports, all of my children played sports.
>>> However, there are very few industries that depend to such a large
>>> extent on a majority black labor force that generate the amount of money
>>> that college and pro football and men's basketball do with such meager
>>> representation in management (coaches, etc.) and ownership.
>>> Did you listen to the podcast episode? Or are you just going off our
>>> prior conversation?
>>> The women on the podcast really dig into several examples: Univ of
>>> Texas, Les Miles, Creighton basketball coach and Ole Miss.
>>> Not just the programs and the coaches but the fans, too.
>>>
>>> And yes, the entire system is problematic which is also a point I was
>>> trying to make Friday.
>>> For example, I work in IT.
>>> IT is horrible in general for Black people, Latino people and women of
>>> all races.
>>> Friday we were talking about sports specifically.
>>> Your argument seems like a "what about X" deflection rather than dealing
>>> with the specific discussion of sports.
>>> Are you saying because the entire system is unjust or broken that no
>>> specific part of the system can be critiqued independent of system level
>>> critique?
>>>
>>>
>>> Charles H. Baker
>>> 864.990.1297
>>> “Don’t be in a hurry to condemn because he doesn’t do what you do or
>>> think as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn’t know what
>>> you know today.” — Malcolm X
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:19 PM Harold Coleman <haroldc06 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think a single person on the call questioned a slave
>>>> "mentality". There's a slave mentality that dominates the large majority of
>>>> the US workforce. Everything is rooted in that mentality. It's how the US
>>>> maintains control over its citizens. Far too present among our brothers and
>>>> sisters but also present among other races. It's by design.
>>>>
>>>> Too much effort to discount sports. It has its problems not unlike many
>>>> industries in the U.S. I can say this same thing about this sister. Does
>>>> she answer to anyone? Is she employed by anyone? Lol in the mirror. Each of
>>>> us. Answer that question. Some can answer it proudly but most have a ton of
>>>> work to do.
>>>>
>>>> Pro/college sports is not the problem. It in itself has granted many
>>>> individuals the opportunity to come out of poverty much like education,
>>>> arts, etc. The problem lies with what folks do once they come out of those
>>>> areas. Sitting there trying to discount the sport, the art, or the
>>>> education or opportunity at any of those is laughable. So the question is
>>>> would you choose 40million dollar slave or 100k slave as a college
>>>> educator/administrator, or 50k slave as a middle manager at corporation X?
>>>> What's the solution? Just a bunch of folks shooting arrows at the next
>>>> person. Just my opinion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 10:35 AM Charles Baker <charleshbaker at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you don't think the plantation slave labor camp mentality doesn't
>>>>> exist in college and pro sports listen to this episode of the Burn It All
>>>>> Down podcast.
>>>>>
>>>>> My sister, a former D1 athlete and now professor at VA Tech, shared
>>>>> this podcast w/o me even telling her anything about our conversation re
>>>>> $40M Slaves Friday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Episode 196: New News, Same Terrible Song of College Sports
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.burnitalldownpod.com/episodes/196
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it exactly the same or as harsh as American Chattel Slavery? No.
>>>>> But it is rooted in the same mentality, the same racism.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles H. Baker
>>>>> 864.990.1297
>>>>> “Don’t be in a hurry to condemn because he doesn’t do what you do or
>>>>> think as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn’t know what
>>>>> you know today.” — Malcolm X
>>>>>
>>>>>
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