[Bgs-list] Questioning the existence of plantation mentality in college & pro sports?

[Charles Baker]

Not my sister's podcast.
Just one she recommended w/o having any idea of the conversation we had
Friday.

Charles H. Baker
864.990.1297
“Don’t be in a hurry to condemn because he doesn’t do what you do or think
as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn’t know what you
know today.” — Malcolm X




On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 1:53 PM Harold Coleman <haroldc06 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I didn't answer your question. I didn't listen to your sister's podcast
> but I plan to. Based on your statements describing the content, I agree
> with her. The entire set-up is a scheme robbing people of color. Too many
> of us leave those schools with too much meat on their bone while we leave
> with no meat on our bones. That includes pro sports. We need to do a better
> job of flipping the script and using them more than they use us.
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 12:03 PM Charles Baker <charleshbaker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not discounting sports.
>> Like I said my sister was a D1 athlete.
>> All of my siblings and I played sports, all of my children played sports.
>> However, there are very few industries that depend to such a large extent
>> on a majority black labor force that generate the amount of money that
>> college and pro football and men's basketball do with such meager
>> representation in management (coaches, etc.) and ownership.
>> Did you listen to the podcast episode? Or are you just going off our
>> prior conversation?
>> The women on the podcast really dig into several examples: Univ of Texas,
>> Les Miles, Creighton basketball coach and Ole Miss.
>> Not just the programs and the coaches but the fans, too.
>>
>> And yes, the entire system is problematic which is also a point I was
>> trying to make Friday.
>> For example, I work in IT.
>> IT is horrible in general for Black people, Latino people and women of
>> all races.
>> Friday we were talking about sports specifically.
>> Your argument seems like a "what about X" deflection rather than dealing
>> with the specific discussion of sports.
>> Are you saying because the entire system is unjust or broken that no
>> specific part of the system can be critiqued independent of system level
>> critique?
>>
>>
>> Charles H. Baker
>> 864.990.1297
>> “Don’t be in a hurry to condemn because he doesn’t do what you do or
>> think as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn’t know what
>> you know today.” — Malcolm X
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:19 PM Harold Coleman <haroldc06 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think a single person on the call questioned a slave
>>> "mentality". There's a slave mentality that dominates the large majority of
>>> the US workforce. Everything is rooted in that mentality. It's how the US
>>> maintains control over its citizens. Far too present among our brothers and
>>> sisters but also present among other races. It's by design.
>>>
>>> Too much effort to discount sports. It has its problems not unlike many
>>> industries in the U.S. I can say this same thing about this sister. Does
>>> she answer to anyone? Is she employed by anyone? Lol in the mirror. Each of
>>> us. Answer that question. Some can answer it proudly but most have a ton of
>>> work to do.
>>>
>>> Pro/college sports is not the problem. It in itself has granted many
>>> individuals the opportunity to come out of poverty much like education,
>>> arts, etc. The problem lies with what folks do once they come out of those
>>> areas. Sitting there trying to discount the sport, the art, or the
>>> education or opportunity at any of those is laughable. So the question is
>>> would you choose 40million dollar slave or 100k slave as a college
>>> educator/administrator, or 50k slave as a middle manager at corporation X?
>>> What's the solution? Just a bunch of folks shooting arrows at the next
>>> person. Just my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 10:35 AM Charles Baker <charleshbaker at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you don't think the plantation slave labor camp mentality doesn't
>>>> exist in college and pro sports listen to this episode of the Burn It All
>>>> Down podcast.
>>>>
>>>> My sister, a former D1 athlete and now professor at VA Tech, shared
>>>> this podcast w/o me even telling her anything about our conversation re
>>>> $40M Slaves Friday.
>>>>
>>>> Episode 196: New News, Same Terrible Song of College Sports
>>>>
>>>> https://www.burnitalldownpod.com/episodes/196
>>>>
>>>> Is it exactly the same or as harsh as American Chattel Slavery? No. But
>>>> it is rooted in the same mentality, the same racism.
>>>>
>>>> Charles H. Baker
>>>> 864.990.1297
>>>> “Don’t be in a hurry to condemn because he doesn’t do what you do or
>>>> think as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn’t know what
>>>> you know today.” — Malcolm X
>>>>
>>>>
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